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Sep. 20th, 2010 03:40 pm
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Эту фотогалерея категорически не рекомендуется к просмотру:

1) либералам (это само собой)
2) розовым, у которых слова "советский консерватизм", "трудовая этика", традиционная мораль, идущая из русской крестьянской общины, сильная страна, мощная армия, "учиться, а не ширяться" - вызывают судороги. Мечтайте о своем сферическом лефтишсоциализме в вакууме - мечтать не вредно.


 


Кузнецк.



Днепрогэс. 1932.




Тракторный завод в Сталинграде. 1933.



Каждая революция лишь тогда чего-то стоит, когда она умеет защищаться.



Сталинград. Новые улицы. До войны.




"Запорожсталь".



"Азовсталь".



Ленинград. Изготовление турбин для ГЭС



Свердловск.



Усть-Каменогорск.



Усть-Каменогорск..

Я отнюдь не сторонник решения идеологических разногласий, например, ледорубами (хотя иногда самому очень хочется кое-кому врезать) или иных способов, противоречащих принципам коммунистического гуманизма, но то, что сделали эти люди - поражает.

Фотографию Юрия Алексеевича Гагарина - тоже крестьянского сына, между прочим, - я не прилагаю сознательно, чтобы ограничиться "страшными" сталинскими временами.

Да, и самое ужасное. Этих людей не интересовали права людей лоботрясничать и побираться. Они им давали кирку в руки - и отправляли трудиться. Звери! 

 
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Date: 2010-09-20 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pioneer-lj.livejournal.com
Позвольте узнать, чем эти фотки отличаются от вида капиталистических предприятий? Разве что тем, что капиталистические больше и лучше. Да и советская индустриализация по преимуществу проведена американцами. Если вы зовёте бывших советских людей возобновить дружбу с Америкой, после войны разрушенной Сталиным, то это правильно.

Date: 2010-09-20 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Германия или Англия в 1925 были индустриальными странами.
Мы даже карандаши не умели делать. Или плуги.

Про американцев. На фотах работают американцы? Странно - и ни одного негра при этом. Расизм большевиков?

Если вы - по чьим чертежам - так мне по фиг. Главное - что сделали.

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Как же!

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На последней самосвал послевоенный, кажется.

Date: 2010-09-20 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pioneer-lj.livejournal.com
Хорошо ещё, что не "форд" или "студебекер".

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Date: 2010-09-20 12:59 pm (UTC)
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титанические стройки!

Date: 2010-09-22 07:51 am (UTC)
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обычные стройки... не понял пост

Date: 2010-09-20 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gago-berlin.livejournal.com
shkoly i derevenskie biblioteki po vsey strane

samye vysokie po sravneniyu s obshim urovnem profesorskie zarplaty i zarplaty uchiteley

revolyuciya byla imeno v 30ie gody, do etogo bylo smutnoe vremya

Date: 2010-09-20 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wood-worker.livejournal.com
Хотел у Вас спросить еще с прошлого поста: Вы там говорили о каких-то догматиках - это тоже лефтиши или нет? И если нет, то чем отличаются?

Date: 2010-09-20 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Классические марксисты-ленинцы, которые считают, например, что СССР (en masse) не был искривлением от ЕПУ.
Среди догматиков тоже есть оттенки - кто более сталинист, кто менее, кто вообще брежневист, кто ходжист, кто маоист.

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Date: 2010-09-20 01:09 pm (UTC)
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После высказываний pioner_lj можно вывешивать объявление о наборе красных рабовладельцев и членов расстрельных команд.
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Date: 2010-09-20 01:16 pm (UTC)
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ну ёмоё.

Нет права лоботрясничать и побираться, но совершенно точно у человека есть право не держать в руках кирку, когда другой это делать заставляет. Вопрос в различии пассивных и активных прав. Лоботрясничать - это активное право. Не работать - пассивное. Активного права на злодейство нет. Есть пассивное право на то, чтобы не быть жертвой злодейства. Заставлять работать - это злодейство. В капиталистических странах это злодейство замаскировано под якобы естественные "рыночные законы". В СССР злодейство замаскировано не было - слишком честные. Труд, как его нужно понимать, включает в себя сознательную добровольную деятельность в интересной человеку сфере. Таким образом, "трудиться" невозможно заставить.

Конечно, всё это имеет смысл только в том случае, если коммунистическая идея вообще имеет хоть какое-то отношение к концепции прав человека в том виде, в котором концепция сейчас существует.

Date: 2010-09-20 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Труд, как его нужно понимать, включает в себя сознательную добровольную деятельность в интересной человеку сфере. Таким образом, "трудиться" невозможно заставить.
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В идеале - или в сферическом лефтишсоциализме - да.
На практике - нет.

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Date: 2010-09-20 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wsf1917.livejournal.com
Реальня проблема состоит в том, что всё это было и после блистательных побед, восхищения лучших людей планеты и т.п. вдруг рухнуло, причём достаточно позорным образом - при минимальном сопротивлении сторонников. И рухнуло в т.ч. и потому, что не обеспечивало освобождения людей по тем аспектам, о которых говорят столь нелюбимые вами лефтиши - или в 70-80-х обеспечивало уже хуже, чем наши враги. Поэтому стоило бы не действовать против них в геббельсовском стиле (эмоциональное давление вместо осмысленных аргументов), а постараться понять те 10% или 20% жемчужных зёрен, которые реально есть в общем навозе их аргументции. Тем более что традиционная мораль, идущая от христианской (и по мере секуляризации верхов - крестьянской) общинности, требует прощать оскорбления и обиды, даже ранящие в самое сердце, а советская власть до хрущёва умела использовать всё разумное в идеях классовых врагов, что пригодится для строительства социализма.

Date: 2010-09-20 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Я просто должен расстрелять все свои патроны - после того, как несколько мерзавцев меня обозвали "чухонским нацистом", а потом займусь более конструктивными делами.
Меня просто до сих пор трясет от возмущения, вот я и пишу конфронтационные посты.

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Date: 2010-09-20 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Да, началась эпическая битва русских стратегических бомбардировщиков до 1917 года выпуска (какую они стратегическую задачу могли решить не пойму) с сталинской индустриализацией. Кажется понимаю в чем стретегичность этих бомбардировщиков - они стоят на страже мифа о хрустящей французской булке. А это безусловно стратегическая задача. Товарищ kommari, прошу прощение за иронию и надеюсь Вы не утратите самообладания в этом побоище.

Date: 2010-09-20 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Пионер - не тот противник, от которого можно потерять самообладание. Вот когда те, кого 4 года считал своими - это да, это действительно тошно.

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Date: 2010-09-20 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vologodski.livejournal.com
Маргарет Бурк-Уайт (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BA-%D0%A3%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82,_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82#.D0.A4.D0.BE.D1.82.D0.BE.D0.B6.D1.83.D1.80.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B0)

Магнитогорск 1931
http://benatlas.com/2009/12/magnitogorsk-russia-in-1931-by-margaret-bourke-white/

Россия 1931
http://benatlas.com/2009/12/russia-in-1931-by-margaret-bourke-white/

Товарищ Сталин, 1941 г.
http://benatlas.com/2009/12/margaret-bourke-white-photographs-stalin-family/

Date: 2010-09-20 02:06 pm (UTC)
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Удивительное самомнение и невежество Ваших оппонентов...
С одной стороны - все , что сделано, - сделано американцами (видно никак не могут понять чего же сегодня нет ни модернизации , ни венчуризации и скоро вообще ничего не бцдет - ни науки, ни культуры, ни производства , ни искусства...), а с другой стороны - все что сделано, сделано до 17 года.
По моему они просто перепутали 17 год с 91: Вот до 91 года все делали сами, а сегодня все покупаем у американцев, европейцев и китайцев)))

По Свердловску

Date: 2010-09-20 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gur64.livejournal.com
Это УЭТМ.
В общем, узнаваем:)

Date: 2010-09-20 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grey_croco.livejournal.com
Коммари, у Вас потрясающий талант вызывать истерику у либерастов :)

Date: 2010-09-20 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scythean.livejournal.com
поклонники Российской Империи, уничтоженной большевиками - либерасты?

а может либерасты - это гайдары-внуки, необольшевики, уничтожившие СССР так же как и их деды - РИ?

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Date: 2010-09-20 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/sharper_/
Тут, прямо в первом же комменте прозвучало, чем мол эти фотки отличаются от видов капиталистических предприятий. Ничем, кроме одного, что забывают практически все. Эти предприятия строились коммунистическим, а не капитиалистическим способом. Т.е. не на "настоящие" деньги, не с помощью капитала, а натуральным вложением усилий ВСЕГО народа. Не наёмными работниками, которых берут ровно столько, сколько можно организовать рабочих мест, поскольку на большее нету денег, а советскими трудящимися, которые строили ДЛЯ СЕБЯ, и работали НА СЕБЯ, а не на дядю и не с целью извлечения его прибыли. Поэтому с рабочими местами проблем в СССР не было их просто СОЗДАВАЛИ. Непрерывно, поскольку в отличие от денег, работа есть всегда, а натуральный продукт нельзя так легко присвоить, как деньги. Хотя, либерастам это рассказывать бестолку. Их мечта урвать, чтобы не работать.

Date: 2010-09-20 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remo.livejournal.com
Коммунистическим - это когда уравниловка, а в Союзе уравниловки не было. Что касается отсутствия безработицы, то, поскольку труд был обязательным, то понятие безработицы к Союзу как-то не приложимо. Упорствующих безработных заставляли работать.

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Date: 2010-09-20 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denorst.livejournal.com
Интересно, как долго жили в бараках строители и рабочие этих гигантов?

Date: 2010-09-20 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jet84.livejournal.com
годов так до 70х, но об этом любители ссср предпочитают не думать)

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При Хрущеве уже в целом решили.

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Date: 2010-09-20 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darya-house.livejournal.com
Коммари, вы большой молодец, что вернулись и что не сдаетесь. По-моему, в цыганском вопросе вы были абсолютно правы, а Колоюок трагически заблуждается. И спасибо за пост.

Date: 2010-09-21 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aristarh1970.livejournal.com
Есть такой широкоизвестный мем: "Детская болезнь левизны в коммунизме". Так вот у уважаемой "Колобок1973" именно оно и есть.
Гы, при зоровом образе жизни со временем пройдет.

Date: 2010-09-20 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diewolpertinger.livejournal.com
> 1) либералам (это само собой)

это почему?
к днепрогэсу, да и думаю ко всему остальному приложили руку "клятые" буржуины.
так сказать зримое доказательство невозможности пролетарской революции - рулить должны либо буржуи, либо большевики.

Date: 2010-09-22 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sitr.livejournal.com
Рулили скорее большевики, чем буржуи. Руководил строительством А. В. Винтер (советский, беспартийный).

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Спа-си-бо!

Date: 2010-09-20 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapis-trubeckoi.livejournal.com

Огромное спасибо за пост! Рад, что по случайной ссылке попал к Вам.

Date: 2010-09-20 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asox.livejournal.com
(Вздыхает) Красотищща!
Улица в Сталинграде напомнила мне некоторые дома в Челябе - не в центре, на ЧТЗ, где я родился.

P.S. У лефтишей и им подобным, кстати, одна общая особенность. Они берут некую абстрактную проблему
(тех-же "понаехавших") и вместо её анализа, определения причин, выделения объективных составляющих,
отделения того, что что надо учесть (к примеру - требования от мусульман "такого-же поведения", что и от других граждан - равенство ведь;), что - удалить/пропагандировать, что просто менять (лучше строить заводы "там", чем завозить рабов "сюда") - пытаются решить её "в лоб".
"Запретить проявления ненависти к" (Айболит-66, натурально).

А поскольку народ не приемлет такую ситуацию - они вынуждены обращаться к государству.
Государство, которое принимает законы, противоречащие интересам и представлению о справедливом
для большинства - является авторитарным, независимо ни от каких процедур принятия решений в нём.

И - оппа - змея кусает себя за хвост.

А после вылупления монстра авторитаризма - он потихоньку начинает хавать своих родителей.
"Видите, какая демократия лживая бяка? А я честный - я буду мочить всех гадов в сортире".

Ну и получается то, что имеем.

Date: 2010-09-20 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknown-sold1er.livejournal.com
*завороженно смотрит на фотографии*
Не оторваться. Воспринимается нами, не заставшими советские времена, как мечта.

Date: 2010-09-21 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terapeft.livejournal.com
значит это как раз про тебя, невежду малолетнюю:
«У советского человека своего ума нет, чужим живёт. По чужим чертежам. А в итоге ему только остается пускать слюни на гламурные фотографии».
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Какая мощь, какой простор!

Date: 2010-09-20 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lupus-lupusum.livejournal.com
кто же такие эти розовые?

Date: 2010-09-20 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Левые антисоветчики.

Date: 2010-09-20 06:07 pm (UTC)
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Индустриализация (только капиталистическая) была и в других странах, и даже быстрее (В.Азия). Только обошлось без Гулагов и сталиных.

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А почему, собственно, эти фотки должны быть неприятны либералам?

Date: 2010-09-20 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kommari.livejournal.com
Потому что на фоне нынешней деиндустриализации они как приговор их политике.

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